No, I think they just don't enjoy it

And although we haven't won anything since the year dot, the reasons we haven't done well in, say, the last five years are different to the reasons we didn't do well in the five years before that.

It is easy to forget that we were actually a decent side in 2002 and 2004. In the Japan/Korea World Cup there?s a very good argument to say we were the second best side there and in 04 we played some fantastic football. We led the QF against Portugal for about 85 minutes! And this was against a really good side, in their own country.

But 2006 was a watershed. Dreadful performances set against massive expectation and everyone stuck the knife in. Since then it?s been as bad, if not worse, and there is a core of England players who simply don?t like the experience of playing for their country.

Yes of course, there are lots of different factors, each contributing in their own way. But the last 10 years of watching England is split in to two distinct periods.

I?ll call one the ?Beckham years? and the other the ?Lampard years?, which I think sums it up neatly.

Posted By: norway on November 4th 2011 at 11:31:38

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John Terry named in England squad. Discuss. (n/m) (Other Football) - Old Man, Nov 4, 10:53:33
- .......... (Other Football) - megson, Nov 4, 12:54:17
  - That is QPR all over (Other Football) - norway, Nov 4, 13:04:54
- Under former FA Chief Exec Mark Palios (Other Football) - norway, Nov 4, 11:35:57
  - I think it's going to be impossible to prove (Other Football) - duke of york, Nov 4, 12:07:59
    - yep impossible (n/m) (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 12:08:47
  - If anything he should be dropped based on performances (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 4, 11:38:14
- I have looked but find that I really, really don't give a shit (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Nov 4, 11:08:24
  - bet ou'd give a shit if it was announced on a BBC website!! (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 4, 11:17:46
    - Err, yes (Other Football) - CB41, Nov 4, 12:15:11
  - Other nations want it so much more. England don't. And as much as they say in interview (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:12:42
    - Oh, they want it! (Other Football) - BerlinCanary, Nov 4, 11:14:28
      - No, I think they just don't enjoy it (Other Football) - norway, Nov 4, 11:31:38
        
        One of them was playing for England in 2001 (Other Football) - norway, Nov 4, 13:03:17
        
        which is which? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Nov 4, 11:45:18
      - I don't think they do really. Montenegro's players climbing into the stands with their (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:23:55
        
        does it really matter? (Other Football) - Tombs, Nov 4, 11:30:38
        
        Also, the whole deal about playing for the senior squad, means you're now above playing (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:25:28
        
        what? (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Nov 4, 11:32:42
      - well said (n/m) (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 11:15:12
  - yet you all still watch (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 11:10:06
    - No (n/m) (Other Football) - CB41, Nov 4, 11:54:24
    - You watch La Liga, then slag it off on here (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:13:45
- If the Ingerlund squad is to be representative of the nation then it *needs* racist cunts. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 4, 11:07:08
  - True, we do need some racists in there, and an asian or two. (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:08:43
- i wonder if ruddy and johnson have made the prelim squad too (n/m) (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 11:04:42
- permanent England international apathy (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:00:29
  - I share that apathy... (Other Football) - Old Man, Nov 4, 11:03:44
    - Optics? (n/m) (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 4, 11:09:19
      - I mean the general impression given to an outside observer (Other Football) - Old Man, Nov 4, 11:10:03
        
        Oh (Other Football) - yarmyyarmy, Nov 4, 11:13:18
        
        The optics of using the term optics, in that context, are doubleplus ungood.. (n/m) (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 4, 11:21:42
        
        I can't unlearn that now. (Other Football) - Arizona Bay, Nov 4, 11:12:44
        
        Ah. You were speaking business bastard. Like it. (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:11:04
    - That was me! I said that. And I agree with me still. (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:05:24
  - Me too. Until (Other Football) - megson, Nov 4, 11:03:44
  - Play off game. League game or not? What do you think? (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:03:13
    - dunt understand (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:05:34
      - Don't worry. It doesn't matter. I'm fine. (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:07:13
        
        :( (n/m) (Other Football) - pants, Nov 4, 11:08:15
        
        :) (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:09:12
        
        :D (n/m) (Other Football) - Tombs, Nov 4, 11:47:55
        
        :/ (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:59:06
    - League. Obv. HTH. (n/m) (Other Football) - megson, Nov 4, 11:04:22
      - Agreed. It's obvious isn't it. Can't believe anyone would think otherwise. (n/m) (Other Football) - jafski, Nov 4, 11:05:57
        
        league games for the league table (n/m) (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 11:06:40
      - it's simply a playoff game (Other Football) - 1 5CC, Nov 4, 11:05:55
- I like the word "CUNT". Discuss. (n/m) (Other Football) - Cheltenham_Canary, Nov 4, 10:55:29
- ridicurlus (Other Football) - Tony Martin, Nov 4, 10:55:05
  - yup (n/m) (Other Football) - Jumbo1, Nov 4, 10:55:39

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