No I get that - and I'm really just playing devil's advocate

But put Cavendish on his own in any discipline of cycling, road or track and he won't win.

As I said, I really like him and I love the Tour but I can't say I'm quite ready for the fawning eulogies quite yet.

Posted By: norway on July 18th 2011 at 12:25:56

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has set me thinking, that Cav thing (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 11:52:57
- Sue Rodgers (Other Sports) - CB41, Jul 18, 13:03:59
  - she's no sue lewis (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 13:08:30
- Rebecca Adlington? (n/m) (Other Sports) - CB41, Jul 18, 12:47:54
  - went downhill after fame (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:49:01
    - Nope sorry, aint got a scooby (n/m) (Other Sports) - CB41, Jul 18, 12:50:58
      - she did an ivanovic (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:52:32
        
        Yeah, I meant the film reference. She wasn't in any film, was she? (n/m) (Other Sports) - CB41, Jul 18, 13:02:14
        
        agreed (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 13:03:11
        
        Good (n/m) (Other Sports) - CB41, Jul 18, 13:05:28
- Graham Swann (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Jul 18, 12:45:43
  - link (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Jul 18, 12:48:04
    - ODI... (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:49:33
      - best ODI bowler in the world then? (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Jul 18, 12:52:34
        
        yep just one area of cricket (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:53:32
        
        No2 in Test, behind Steyn so makes him best Spinner. (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Jul 18, 13:04:01
        
        problem with cricket is only a few countries play properly (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 13:05:12
        
        Good. We can look decent at it then. If it became like football we'd be shit. (n/m) (Other Sports) - megson, Jul 18, 13:11:57
      - So best ODI bowler in the world then? (n/m) (Other Sports) - conker, Jul 18, 12:50:18
        
        lol (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tony Martin, Jul 18, 12:53:20
- Wayne Rooney (n/m) (Other Sports) - lurd, Jul 18, 12:32:10
- So far then (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:15:12
  - is Nicole Cooke still going? and loads of snookerists (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:32:15
    - Emma Pooley? world Time Trial champ..... (Other Sports) - HairyBobbingManAss, Jul 18, 12:40:00
  - What about that fisherman bloke, Bob Nudds or something? (Other Sports) - tudders, Jul 18, 12:27:41
    - good point. Nudds makes it 5. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:29:33
      - It's the same pike! (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:30:00
  - What is it exactly that Cav is best in the world at though? (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:19:01
    - did he have his leadout train for his Milan-San Remo win? (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:34:43
    - Er yeah. He is the best finisher in the world. His team gets him there he finishes. (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:22:34
      - No I get that - and I'm really just playing devil's advocate (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:25:56
        
        why wouldn't he win a track sprint? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:27:54
        
        He can and has, but it's quite a different discipline. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:29:56
      - agree with what he's best at but there's no world title for it (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:25:45
        
        No, but the TdF is the pinnacle for his type of bike racer. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:27:37
        
        you'd think given how highly sprinters are regarded (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:30:08
        
        That's the pinnacle. There are all sorts of other races on the calendar. (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:33:57
        
        oh yeah that was that aussie race i think (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:35:13
        
        Exactly. Some years the course will suit him though. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:37:03
        
        like it probably did when Tom Boonen won it in 05 (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:38:42
      - exactly (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:25:14
        
        Except that Phil Ligget said quite openly yesterday (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:27:11
        
        And Cav admits that after every win. The team put him thgere, he finishes it off. (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:32:12
        
        Cavendish is numbered ending in 1, the team leader. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:34:41
        
        Fazackerly. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:37:25
        
        yeah. I remember Cav stopped winning stages instantly when Renshaw was kicked off the Tour (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:32:08
        
        Oh calm down for fucks sake (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:37:50
        
        he sounds like me defending andy murray LOL (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:38:40
        
        is he the guy that leads him up? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:31:19
        
        Slipstreaming during the stage to keep him fresh energy-wise. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:38:56
        
        The cyclist folloing is in the airpocket created by them so expends less effort, (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:36:00
        
        wow didn't know that (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:37:58
        
        Geese. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Arizona Bay, Jul 18, 12:40:39
        
        HONK! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Old Git, Jul 18, 13:56:24
  - no way is luke donald (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:17:19
    - World rankings say he is (n/m) (Other Sports) - conker, Jul 18, 12:18:28
      - westwood was no 1 too and still not won one (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:21:39
        
        Does that matter? To be measured as the best right now, not the best ever (Other Sports) - conker, Jul 18, 12:36:41
        
        we are talking about the best right now (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:43:59
        
        Being the best right now is not measured on how many titles you have won this year is it? (n/m) (Other Sports) - conker, Jul 18, 12:49:08
        
        it's measured mainly on consistency (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:51:55
- Someone emailed talkshite this morning saying it's sad we'd rather a fat, pisshead win (Other Sports) - lurd, Jul 18, 12:10:18
  - Give me Clarke over Tiger fuckin Woods anyday! (n/m) (Other Sports) - Kirrie, Jul 18, 12:30:26
  - That's appalling (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:15:29
    - And he played fewer shots than anyone else over four days. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:18:01
- Isn't Graham Swann currently the best spin bowler in the wrold (n/m) (Other Sports) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 18, 12:06:21
  - only cos murali and warne have retired (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:11:43
    - Yeah, and Jim Laker, Bishan Bedi, Bill O'Reilly & Lance Gibbs. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:21:10
      - Bishen Bedi was never the world's best. He was the slowest left armer ever, though. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:24:01
        
        I was making a point regarding retirees to numbnuts. (n/m) (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:25:35
        
        I know. I was getting over-excited at the mention of Bishen Bedi. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:27:56
      - but they're not be better than swann at this moment in time (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:23:26
        
        Would he? What were his stats alongside Swanns when they were both playing at the same (Other Sports) - jafski, Jul 18, 12:26:33
        
        i'm not keen on rankings (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:33:59
  - or world even? (Other Sports) - DiscoDaleGordon, Jul 18, 12:06:47
    - fair point, re Swann (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:07:48
      - Can'r believe I typed Broad and not Swann down there. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:19:17
        
        And now can'r. Going to get that coffee now. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:20:53
        
        haha, only just noticed that (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:19:48
- Andy Murray is world class, as strange as that may seem. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Steve in Holland, Jul 18, 12:02:21
  - doesn't seem strange at all. But he's not the world's best at what he does, unlike Cav (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:03:39
- Ignored in the UK generally.... (Other Sports) - HairyBobbingManAss, Jul 18, 12:01:54
  - she's well known abroad, is she? (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:04:45
    - In as much as Triathlon has a much bigger following abroad than it does in Blighty (n/m) (Other Sports) - HairyBobbingManAss, Jul 18, 12:09:54
- but he won't win the race will he? (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 11:57:02
  - The winner of the race depends quite heavily on the kind of race. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:05:15
    - I really like Gilbert, by the way (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:09:06
    - won't he compete on the track like wiggins did? (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:06:44
      - He did last time. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:11:20
        
        it was the Madison weren't it? (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:43:43
        
        Yes. Wiggo had done his bit and was knacked. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:47:19
        
        yes, i think Cav was rather honest in his unhappiness (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:50:46
        
        surely there's an individual event for a specialist sprinter like him tho (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:14:02
        
        Maybe. I'd have to look it up and I want a coffee. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:16:16
    - don't bother. He's trolling, as usual. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:06:12
      - No he isn't! (Other Sports) - norway, Jul 18, 12:21:02
        
        Yes he is! (Other Sports) - Arizona Bay, Jul 18, 12:39:04
        
        haha (n/m) (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:48:32
      - but he can't beat the likes of contador in the overall race (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:09:37
- I'm not sure darts is really a world sport. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 11:56:49
  - cricket is not a world sport (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:29:38
    - Yep. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:32:51
      - good. That puts snooker in, thanks to China. (n/m) (Other Sports) - Ralf Scrampton, Jul 18, 12:35:28
  - yeah, golf. Luke Donald or Westwood I guess (Other Sports) - Tricky Hawes, Jul 18, 12:05:37
    - No. But that's what rankings are for. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:08:38
      - and safina and jankovic (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:10:55
        
        Tournaments are also misleading. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:15:25
        
        and players can be rewarded for playing more events (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:19:38
        
        I don't think we'll ever get the perfect answer, Mikey. Potato / potato. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:22:18
        
        they should just ask me to rank everyone (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:24:08
        
        The universal judge of all sport. (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:25:30
        
        well i'm prepared to take it on (Other Sports) - SCC 28, Jul 18, 12:32:00
        
        You can make those ones up. (n/m) (Other Sports) - APB, Jul 18, 12:35:34

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